Microsoft .. a bunch of lamers !!!, page 1

they made alot of propaganda for their upcoming new operating system (windows vista) and they invited hackers at the Black Hat USA 2006 security conference in Las Vegas to hack into Windows Vista .. and guess what .. while Microsoft was talking about Windows Vista security at Black Hat, a researcher in another room demonstrated how to hack the operating system !! .. the idea is that Bill Gate's sick brain cant understand yet that it's impossible to create a powerful, stable and secure operating system as a closed source software because he is not the smartest guy on earth as he think, maybe he is the dumbest ass


https://news.com.com/Vista+hacked+at+Black+Hat/2100-7349_3-6102458.html

https://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=93109&feed=ArticleLink&promocode=rtartpage

probably it has a lot of bugs, that's why ms delayed it's launch to 2007. imho it's not about open/closed source model. in open source models it's easier to find vulnerabilities.(analyzing the code, of course there are automated software for that, used by developers not just hackers).

think about it... the bug is available only when you're logged in as administrator.  you can find a lots of exploits for linux too, it's even not that vulnerable. why? because admins use the root login only when they REALLY need it. probably ms has recognized the situation too, that's why ie runs in unprivileged mode, and you don't need that administrator account for so many things.

btw, there are a lot of exploits for other operating systems too (check linux kernel changelog, how many vulnerabilities have they fixed between two releases), and for other software as well... (apache, php, mysql, postgresql, phpnuke, etc...).

i agree with you, viktor. it's a pretty challengeable task already to create some software that will not have any major holes, but to create an operating system 100% bullet-proof - it's almost an impossible task. although they are trying, and you have to give respect for that. of course there are 1000's of holes in unix/linux/macos/beos, but there are 1000 times less hackers who decided to go the hard path and crack their teeth on breaking into a nix-system, but other 99.99% of them hackers will go the easy way and try and break into windows system. that is why windows can be broken into easier, cause there are much more people working on it. :) and it was the smartest and VERY BRAVE move for them to invite hackers to test the system, as much they'd be sure it's secure, they would still have some weak points, that they might not know about.. i mean, all in all they did good and maybe they'll fix those holes as well..

i've just thought about the same thing... probably they haven't hacked it during the Black Hat conference, they knew this bug before, but they haven't reported it. It seems that Black Hat conference is big enough for gaining reputation rather that keeping that sec. hole for themself.

well .. i agree with you guys .. I know that any Unix system including macosx, linux and others have bugs for sure .. but the point is, is it easy or even possible to break into a unix system with these bugs existing  ? ... if you have physical access to the machine, its's possible (I can gain root access on most of unix systems but only if i'm directly using the machine itself and I guess both of you are the same :)) .. in other words, it's nearly impossible to hack into a unix system remotely, and all hackers break into systems remotely ... it's very easy to prevent physical access to any important machiine by placing it in a secure locked room for example ... also, i dont consider linux as a powerful unix system, it's good but still a baby need to grow up more and prove itself .. I believe that no unix system is better than the BSD family (FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD) .. and it's not only about security .. it's about many other things like:

Stability: I've seen ultrasparc workstations running solaris and stayed powered on for 3-4 years without even a reboot

Preformance: I remember this famous test in 1999-2000, they got two computers, the first is PII 300/32 MB ram and the second was PIII 700 / 128 MB ram, and they installed Linux slackware on the first and win NT 4 on the second .. and guess what, the PII machine came with higher results than the PIII !! noticing ithe first is 1/4 ram of the second .. but this is one of the major differenced between them .. that unix has a great ability in using the hardware very effectivly, meaning, it simply extract all what could be from any hardware it operates

Reliablity: the obvious microsoft admission of that is after the famous hotmail blackout in 2000, microsoft switched all their mail servers from windows NT 4 to FreeBSD !!


one last thing, I'm totally convinced that if any hacker had the chance to break into any unix system, this would be more caused by a fool admin than a smart hacker !

microsoft is a big joke

i found a really funny video

just check this out.... https://video.google.com/videoranking


https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2992183880068262304

microsoft suck

just check https://www.zone-h.org/component/option,com_attacks/Itemid,43/filter,1/filter_date_select,month/page,1

this is the result of the last month. you can see a lot of linux and win2003 boxes... and some bsds :) unfortunately you can't filter mass defacements, so many domains in this result set point to the same box. but here are the statistics:

win 2000: 2586 single ips
win 2003: 2989 single ips
linux: 15330 single ips
freebsd: 1685 single ips
solaris: 238 single ips

do you notice the high number of linux boxes? probably ms users have learned using windows update :) imho most of the linux admins/users feel secure because he/she uses linux... (just like the case of firefox users. a lot of them think he cannot get spyware/adware/etc, because he uses firefox) if linux admins would update their boxes regularry, probably there wouldn't be so many hacked linux systems. but most of them don't update, and their server settings aren't safe enough...

just like in one of my friends situation, about 2-3 years ago... someone used the bug in eGallery module in phpnuke to download & execute some kind of code on the server. of course that code was a local-root exploit (there was a very old kernel on that system), so the guy has successfully started a telnet daemon with root privileges.. If my friend would have updated eGallery OR would have updated his box(kernel) regularry, his machine wouldn't be hacked... or simply disabling exec,system and some other functions in php would be enough...




i agree. are there so many stupid linux admins? if you update regularry, and your security settings are safe enough, then probably you can feel safe. but imho this is just like in win2003 too.. i don't want to stand up for ms, and their operating systems, but if you try them, you'll notice they're getting much more stable & reliable.

hell yeah they do! but you know, so many years of developing the system - they must be progressing in some way. about mister Billy Gatsy, i personally respect him THE MOST of all other computer geniouses, maybe mister Virt can be on the same level with Billy. but see, Gates had a chance at that point, long time ago with his basic for dr-dos or something, i can't recall exactly, but what he did at that time has NEVER been repeated by ANYONE! that was genious.

but let's get back to the systems... linux is good. and it's also very good for its open source architecture, but it's not my priviledge to tell you (as you already know this for sure) that there is maybe 1000 times less software for linux, than it is for windows. no matter how and when and why, it will be very hard for any company that decides to eat a piece of windows-commerce-pie, if even counting all computers in the world there will be maybe 5% of non-windows based systems, thinking about software there will be only 0.5% of soft made not-for-windows.. so in my humble opinion, i fully support MS in their way, they have alot of fights to fight, but they do it well. i don't praise MS or love them, but i DO RESPECT the company.. i don't know already what i wanted to write here.. too many Corona-s...    well, forget about it.. :)

I admit Gates is a genius and this is a fact but he also done bad things, pirates of silicon valley explains this ... and if jobs didnt leave apple to next in 1989, maybe there would be no microsoft :)

of course, their "operating systems" (even hidden dos+gui) until w2000 was really lame... but imho wxp got much more better (for the desktop user) than windows ever was. hopefully we'll see wxp as a lame software too when vista come out :)

btw, they have stolen the whole graphical-interface based idea, mouse, and so on from xerox/apple, and the idea of the directory structures/attributes from unix systems...

i don't clearly remember, cause it was a long time ago, but i think OS/2 had also had graphical interface with folders and alt-tab switching and everything else. was back in beginning of 90s..